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Making Deep Space and Nuclear
Rockets Safe for Astronauts: PART II
by
Bruce Behrhorst
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PART I
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The question of life's
existence beyond Earth remains unanswered in the technical legal sense.
To most, the question is a small consolation for which we already know
the answer to.
Two recent space missions
have given us a small glimpse at what might be in-store for the
existence of extraterrestrial life forms even at the cellular level.
Spacecraft observations of the landing area of one of NASA's two Mars
Rovers, "Opportunity" indicate there was an enormous sea or lake
covering the region in the past. Maybe a surface area body of water
comparable to all of the Great Lakes combined. As most space enthusiasts
know, water is the necessary ingredient to life as we know it. We
understand organisms on Earth seem to pop-up in the most inhospitable of
places able to thrive and sustain themselves indefinitely.
Another recent space mission Cassini/Huygens gives us a stark reminder
that icy Moons do indeed exist and some equipped with vast oceans.
A bigger question remains to be reconciled if we take the liberty to
say, "Extraterrestrial
life forms do exist in our Solar System down to the cellular level."
Could by some extension a human being adapt to live and thrive on
habitats apart from Earth indefinitely? First a transportation system/s
must be established. Systems that can guarantee the safe delivery and
return of humans in the shortest transit times possible under the least
stressful regime possible. Of course human habitat survival also depends
upon the ability to protect humans and habitat that in some cases will
mean semi permanent or permanent residence in harsh environments.
Nascent humans' arrival to these worlds will depend on the ability to
mine and process potable water for various basic uses and the
construction of habitable structures. In order for the most rudimentary
survival prerequisites to be successful radiation mitigation (shielding)
strategies for deep space, onboard and extraterrestrial environments
sources of radiation (Mars double the radiation of Earth) must be
developed and implemented to give a high degree of success in these long
duration missions. This could lead to the next phase in human
biomolecular change - the ability to show signs of physical adaptations
to different heavenly bodies within our Solar System.
Out of 3.2 billion base
pairs the present human genome make-up is composed of 30,000 - 40,000
genes, "Almost every cell in the human body contains the same set of
genes. But not all of the genes are used, or expressed, by those cells.
For example, some processes that are particular to cells in the liver
are completely unused in brain cells. Ever since genomic research began,
scientists have been searching the tangle of DNA for the expressed
genes, the ones that really matter.
If one thinks of the nucleus of a cell as a library, then the
chromosomes in the cell are bookshelves and the genes are the books on
each shelf. Almost every cell in an organism contains the same libraries
and the same sets of books. The books represent all of the information
(the DNA) that every cell in the body needs so that it can grow and
carry out its various functions. Two challenges complicate the process
of locating our genes: Not all of the genes are expressed in any one
tissue, and less than 10% of our DNA is actually used to make genes.
Only occasional passages in the library’s written material are
important."1
Much of the DNA is unused called "Introns" , "Exons" (useful parts,
expressed genes) are interrupted by Introns, Exons account for only
about 1% of all DNA, 99% is unused (unexpressed) Introns when mRNA is
made, Exons put together after clipping Introns out Exons can be put
together in different arrangements to make different proteins some genes
show up in multiple copies on different chromosomes some pieces of DNA
can move around on a chromosome. Other life forms also possess this
overabundant unused DNA, except that some of their "Redundant" DNA has
gradually changed and mutated into other usable genetic material, But
despite this mutation, their functional genes have never altered. This
is all a product of billions of years of life on planet Earth.
" Scientists are still grappling with this
vexatious conundrum, and are gradually coming to believe that any
genetic “blueprints” of other forms - such those of laboratory mice, for
example, which correspond in certain areas with our own - when our
helixes are compared with theirs, show that those same sections of our
human genetic code must perform some worthwhile, vital function. The
only remaining problem now, is what - and how do we find out?"
2 Researchers have been able to
manipulate genetic code in mice, but in humans this raises ethical
questions that need to be clearly resolved before work in this area is
to progress in earnest. Whether by natural or direct genetic
manipulation processes, can Homo Sapiens adapt to extraterrestrial
worlds successfully? I believe we can given the proper tools and the
will to do so.
The ' will ' to let science separate between fact and fiction is still
evident today as it was in the past and will continue being a source of
criticism. It's a legacy of free societies and as a free society those
that take the time to inform themselves tend to support accurately the
means and method which advance its society. In today's media, confusion
and misinformation about space radiation is a source of controversy. A
New York Times article printed 12/9/2003 by Mathew Wald, "Mars
Mission's Invisible Enemy: Radiation" touting the extreme danger of
space radiation drew plenty of criticism by the
Mars Society
calling on the NY Times to print a correction. The New York Times as
with other media is no stranger to inaccurate reporting - at one time
even calling the father of American Rocketry Dr. Robert Goddard's work
an impossibility. The only hope is that emotional reporting by
established media be replaced with investments in accurate reporting.
SHIELDING AGAINST A HARMFUL SPACE RADIATION ENVIRONMENT
The purpose and vision of
NASA’s Space Radiation
Health Project (SRHP) is to achieve human exploration and
development of space without exceeding an acceptable level of risk from
exposure to space radiation.
An important safety concern for long term space travel is the health
effects from space radiation. Possible health risks include cancer,
cataracts, acute radiation sickness, hereditary effects, and damage to
the central nervous system. NASA has been developing ground based
research facilities to simulate the space radiation environment and to
analyze biological effects at the molecular and cellular level. These
facilities will also be used to understand and mitigate the biological
effects of space radiation on astronauts, to ensure proper calibration
of the doses received by astronauts on the International Space Station,
and to develop advanced material concepts for improved radiation
shielding for future exploration missions to Mars.
For over 35 years, NASA has been collecting and monitoring the radiation
doses received by all NASA astronauts that traveled into space during
the Gemini, Apollo, Skylab, Space Shuttle, Mir, and the International
Space Station programs. The data on the amount of space radiation and
its composition is now more available and well understood. [website
statement]
FEATURE INTERVIEW
This summer 2004 I had a chance to
speak with Dr. Francis Cucinotta to give NS readers a brief sense of
what's involved in the complex world of devising strategies that protect
astronauts from the effects of space radiation in particular radiation
protection studies of the International Space Station and Extravehicular
Activity (EVA) Space Suits. See study
[nasa/tp-2003-212051].
BB: Today I'm
speaking with Dr. Francis Cucinotta, at the NASA Nuclear Safety Office
at the Johnson Space Center.
FC:
Correction...The Radiation Health Office and I'm the Radiation Health
Officer for the Astronauts.
BB: What is the Radiation
Health Office at JSC and what are the duties of a Radiation Health
Officer?
FC: Ok...We advise
the Astronauts on the risks. We calculate their risk from dosimetry and
computer models to determine cancer risks we also do cataract risk at
this time. We also have the operational programs during missions we
track the conditions of space weather which means the Sun, Solar
Particle Events (SPE's) or disturbances of the Earth's magnetic field.
How they might impact crew on the Space Station or the Space Shuttle
especially if they're doing space walks.

BB: Historically
could you point to instances were astronauts were required to use
nuclear material in order to perform major missions in space?
FC: Nuclear material?
BB: Yes.
FC: Well...Yes,
there was an experiment on Apollo where they used an RTG (Radioisotope
Thermal Generator containing Plutonium).
BB: How would you
characterize the astronaut corps toward space nuclear power and
propulsion, are they in favor of using this technology in the future?
FC: I think overall they are. If
it would substantially shorten long missions. One proposal that I know
of called, "VASMIR Project" where they have a goal of a complete Mars
Mission in less than a year using nuclear propulsion. People are very
much in favor of that idea. But, if they use nuclear propulsion and not
shorten mission transit times then they would be against it.
BB: Have any past or present
astronauts fell ill as a result of prolonged exposure to space radiation
or onboard sources of radiation?
FC: Not that we know of.
BB: In your estimation what are
the more acute dangers in prolonged astronaut activity in space due to
deep space background radiation and onboard sources of radiation?
FC: There's always the risk of
large SPE's. In the scientific literature or news media stories it's
been over estimated for inside space vehicle radiation, if you actually
look at the amount of shielding and the shielding on the body correctly
there's really no acute risk, but for space walks especially for Moon
missions on the surface of the Moon where you would be outside a lot
there would be a possibility of a large SPE event producing acute
effects.
BB: Like energetic electrons or
HZE particles?
FC: When I say, 'solar particles'
it's mostly protons. So you will always have this risk the Sun will have
during a mission spewing out a Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) which leads
to a high dose of Protons. This can be reasonably well shielded if
you're inside a space vehicle and especially if you're prepared for such
events when outside a space vehicle or habitat. If you didn't know the
event has started you would have the possibility of acute effects
occurring.
BB: Could you give us an update on
the 34 million dollar NASA space radiation lab at Brookhaven National
Laboratory (BNL) which conducts experiments to simulate and study cosmic
ray bombardment shielding on materials and biological systems to enable
explorers to safely traverse our solar system and the recent
announcement of additional grants totaling $13.5 million for space
radiation materials research?
FC: Ok...The facility was opened
July 2003. We use the term 'campaigns' when NASA funded investigators
use the facility for a four to six week period. Right now, it's three
'campaigns' a year or so looking at 15-to-18 weeks a year where our
investigators are there. So we already had four of these 'campaigns'.
The next one will start the last week in August we call it 'NSRL 5'.
Already in just over a year we have equaled the rate of research that we
had over the previous four years. So what's happening by having this
facility, where we can use the ion beams as much as possible we're
quadrupling the rate we're learning about the effects of space radiation
on cells and tissue.
BB: I imagine Nasa is trying to
label priority in the following areas:
- Molecular radiation biology
of carcinogenesis; meaning improved estimates of cancer risks from
space radiation using genetic and molecular-based animal or tissue
models, historical nuclear mishaps incidents studies on cancer risk
predictability.
- CNS radiobiology
understanding need to estimate risk to CNS (central nervous system)
to short term/long term low doses effects of HZE (High Energy high
charge Z ions) heavy ion particles and proton doses.
- Models of non-cancer or
degenerative tissue risks: estimation of proton and HZE ions BRYNTRN
(Brayon transport code model) and HZETRN (NASA Space Radiation
Transport Code).
- Individual susceptibility;
understanding genetic or epi-genetic factors that contribute to
sensitivity or resistance to radiation and development to molecular
markers of cancer, CNS or cataract risks.
- Cell and Molecular biology
- Multi-functional shielding
materials
- Discovery of biological
countermeasures
FC: Yes, and this is quite a lot
of activity. I think a simple way to explain it for people that are
familiar somewhat with radiation effects; have heard of the concept
'Radiation dose'. The problem with that quantity, is that what it really
means precisely is the amount of energy deposited in bulk matter, bulk
material, so when you start looking at some structured biomolecule like
DNA or the proteins that interact with DNA inside a cell it loses its
usefulness as a descriptor of radiation effects. There's a lot of
structure in biology and just average energy in bulk matter really has
no descriptive power. So, how do you estimate risk? Usually what's done
is to look at humans that have been exposed to radiation and then rank
them by their dose that fit an equation that describes the risk as a
function of dose in that population. So the big problem is, there's no
data like that for the kinds of radiation types that we're particularly
interested in for the space missions of the future. You have to go back
to energy depositions in biomolecules like DNA you'll find it's akin to
comparing apples to oranges. When you compare the radiation on the
ground like Gamma rays, X-rays to Heavy ions in space and the type of
damage to molecules is very distinct. So in conclusion, the way we
estimate risk is the big problem, we could be high, we could be low.
Until we understand how well we can estimate the risk it's a problem for
long duration space missions.
BB: I noticed one component on the
'NASA list of priorities' the discovery of biological countermeasures
like diet, preventative medical therapy, skin creams, radiation vaccines
and in-flight fat or glandular frozen stem cell replacement therapy etc.
What about these countermeasures?
FC: The countermeasures is the next phase of our
program after we can reliably project the risks. What we can do then is
reliably design or validate a biological countermeasure. It's the same
issue. How do you know if a countermeasure is going to work for Iron
particles? You might look at a countermeasure that's been used for Gamma
ray protection, but since the damage to biomolecules in cells is so much
different you wouldn't understand if its going to work or what the
efficiency of that countermeasure is. With the exception of acute risks
as we know, for things like nausea or vomiting caused by radiation we
need to know, it's a very simple measure of losing cells and we can
predict how well different types of radiation will kill cells (tissue
cell loss).
Some of the countermeasures that
have been developed are... ok.
A countermeasure for decreasing
the risk of cancer or damage to the brain we have really poor ability to
understand if or how well the countermeasure is going to work.
So this first phase of the program is to understand the mechanisms of
how the damage occurs and the second phase will be more about the
countermeasures you brought up.
BB:To date have any 'flown'
astronauts been advised by flight surgeons and the Nasa space radiation
health project to 'ground' personnel due to surpassing allowable
exposures?
Are missions rated due to the cost against astronaut's allowable career
exposure on a per mission or overall life span to the individual? In
other words are recommended regulatory dose limits set for random
(Stochastic) and deterministic (non-stochastic) for career dose exposure
and do these regulatory dose limits change as new material shielding
data studies change recommended dose limits?
(radiation dose limits for space
activities allow exposures that are higher than regulatory limits for
terrestrial workers in the United States. Only EVA's that occur during
extreme condition have the potential to exceed the thresholds for these
effects.)
FC: We have two types of limits.
We have limits for acute and deterministic effects these are 30 days and
one year limits to Blood Forming Organs (BFO's) is the major one. We
also have career limits, so the astronauts have to adhere to both of
those limits. To date no one has been 'grounded' for their space
exposures relative to those limits. The NASA career dose limits
correspond to the estimate of 3% that would cause fatal cancer (3%
excess lifetime risk of fatal cancer for a 10 year active career).
BB: This 3% factor... Is this
written in stone?
FC: Yes, these are rules that NASA
follows that are regulated by the Department of Labor (OSHA). We know
below a certain age those persons would not be able to perform long
missions because the dose limits are age-dependent. For example; a 25
year old person would not be able to spend a year in space would be an
example, because the younger you are the higher the cancer risk from
radiation. So far the typical age for astronauts which is 15 years older
(40 yrs.) there hasn't been any problems.
BB: Which space suit is best apt
to protect against space radiation in the region of Low Earth Orbit,
NASA's EMU (extravehicular mobility unit) or the Russian Space Agencies'
Orlan-M suit ?
FC: We did some measurements with
both space suits at Loma Linda University with protons and electrons.
There were really no conclusions that one was better than the other.
BB: So the space suits performed
about the same?
FC: There were areas on one that
were a little better than the other, but the variability was such that
you couldn't conclude one way or the other.
BB: I was led to understand by Dr.
John Wilson some of the metal alloys used to make up swivel joints that
permit articulation of limbs on the EMU suit could be replaced with a
lighter composite type material, this to prevent the effect of deposit
on metals due to secondary radiation 'holding quality' that could
increase CA skin risk. What sort of modification recommendations to the
current EMU suit would be passed on to the principle contractor Hamilton
Sundstrand to comply?
FC: We look at all the different
organs at risk, for example: the skin, eye and the internal organs like
the lungs, stomach it turns out the body itself provides most of the
protection for the lungs or the stomach, the really deep seated tissues.
For the less shielded tissues like skin these kind of things that Dr.
John Wilson mentions become more important. Improvements to the joints
and cloth material construction become more important in protecting the
skin especially from lower energy radiation from a solar particles
event.
BB: Is there like a 'polyethylene
tarp' or storm shield that is placed according to directionality of
penetrating trapped protons impinging from incoming CME's and SPE's
energetic fast flux particles and the individual performing EVA on ISS
at for example 51.6 degree (high) inclination orbits during a light SPE
storm?
FC: What we have is a sleep
station also called, 'crew quarters' in the U.S. Lab module and we had
the opportunity to add polyethylene shielding to three of the walls of
that sleep station to better protect it and we chose the walls based on
directionality against trapped radiation, but also cosmic rays so we
picked directions where trapped radiation would come in and also
directions away from facing the Earth because Cosmic radiation do not
penetrate through the Earth.
BB: If you were an Astronaut
orbiting at a 51.6 degree inclination during a light SPE storm. An
anomaly situation arose causing you to be caught outside the spacecraft.
Isn't there like a polyethylene tent an astronaut could slip into for
shelter?
FC: Well...They could just go
against the spacecraft because you would have what is called, "Two Pi"
shielding there that would be the best approach. The astronaut would
pick a part of the spacecraft where relative position to the Earth were
the solar protons would not come through the Earth. The Earth provides a
shield and so does the spacecraft it could protect you in a different
direction. You also have the Earth’s magnetic field so that an SPE would
only impact an EVA at northern or southern latitudes.
BB: Do you advise mission planners
to avoid 'hot spots' like off the southeastern coast of South America?
FC: The EVA's are always planned
so that you would miss the weak magnetic part of the orbits. So everyday
even for the really large historical SPE's there's about a 10-to-12 hour
window were an EVA even during an SPE would be safe. They always plan to
be in that window. That means times of the day were you're not hitting
those southern or northern magnetic latitudes and your not going through
the south atlantic anomaly layer where you have the highest trapped
proton exposure. We work it out out with radiation environmental models
where the window of opportunity to do safe EVA's occurs - and that's
what NASA does.
BB:In regards to the difficult
task of optimizing radiation shielding on tests of EMU/ORLAN-M using
energetic protons. Could you explain the results suggesting a naïve
assumption that adding mass can reduce risk is not supported by data
which show that reducing the dose delivered at or near the skin by
low-energy particles may increase the dose delivered by energetic
particles (fluxes of high-LET secondary particles) to points deeper in
the body?
FC: Back up...You said, "...TESS
and EMU." In the same sentence. They're two different things, the 'TESS'
is the sleep station or crew quarter inside the ISS Lab module and the
EMU is the spacesuit used for space walks. The 'TESS' has the
polyethylene the EMU does not. I'm confused by your question.
BB: Oh... I see. So one is for the
suit and the other is for the cabin?
FC: So far there's no polyethylene
[protection] that's been used for an EMU. Conceptually people are
looking at models of EMU's or spacesuit which have polyethylene
components, but none of that has been implemented at this point.
BB: It hasn't yet !
FC: No...

BB: If this was implemented would
this garment or layer of whatever it is go next to the skin by the water
flow [coolant tubes] layer?
FC: For example; if Nasa returns
to the Moon we now have a chance to design a new spacesuit. One concept
is to have a cloth of polyethylene. The material of the spacesuit is
actually made out of that and it would provide extra protection
throughout most of the skin.
Then you would also look at the helmet and the backpack as other areas
where you might improve material selection.
BB: Essentially what your saying,
is out of the approx. 260lbs of weight [suite] there wouldn't be much of
a difference that you would add [weight] in modifying the suit.
FC: In a redesign you would pick
different materials and try to optimize it that way. Other things you
could do to that might impact mass a little, is to look at the coolant
tubes to try and structure those to provide more protection. That would
have to be considered along with the typical other criteria like
thermal...Things like that.
BB: Essentially the manipulation
of the redesigned suit will only cover a certain radiation that you're
hoping to mitigate; meaning it will not shield everything 100%?
FC: That’s correct. A redesigned
suit improve the protection from solar particle events, but very little
for galactic cosmic rays which have very high penetration power in all
materials.
BB: Could you comment on Blood
Forming Organs BFO cells with regards to proton low energy exposure.
Apparently these cells remain sensitive to splash electrons no matter
what thickness shielding material is placed to remedy cell dose
absorption which causes transmissible chromosomal/genomic instability in
hematopoietic stem cells of mice. In this regard how much of this is
attributed to weightlessness and/or radiation? What I'm trying to say
with this question is, which is more of a problem the effects of
radiation on BFO's or osteoporosis bone mass loss?
FC: I don't think the effects of
radiation on bone loss isn't understood at all. I don't know if you can
say it does that at all. Radiation effects on bone marrow system would
be important to SPE's. You mentioned 'splash electrons' that's a really
small dose; there's really no impact to astronauts. It's very
penetrating so there's not much you can do with shielding, but it's also
a small dose from 'splash electrons' it's not really a consideration.
When you're on the Moon or Mars you don't have that problem.
BB: What were the type of cells
used in most cases with radiation studies, animal or human?
FC: They were just mouse cells.
There was only one study. Most of those studies were physics
measurements not a biology experiment.
BB:Could one immerse the phantom
(radiation test dummy) in an EMU filled with plain water and measure
absorbed dose, would there be a difference?
FC: Immerse a phantom in a water
tank?
BB: Just filling the spacesuit up
with water with the phantom in it.
FC: Yes...There should be some
difference. Depends on what kind of radiation... Things like that.
BB: Female EVA limit
specifications for female exposures, which are approx. 40% less than
those for males, radiosensitive organs unique in females require
additional attention. Is there a significant difference between the
sexes ?
FC: In what..? The dose limits?
BB: Yeah.
FC: The dose limits are based on
equality of risk they are both being limited to the 3% increase of fatal
cancer risk. So when you estimate the dose that causes that it depends
on gender and age. The age part is due to the latency mainly. It's a
complex distribution of time-to-exposure. The probability of time from
exposure to the occurrence of a cancer if in fact it happened at all.
Leukemia will come earliest
usually within the first 20 years. Lung cancers would occur much longer
20-40 years after exposure. The older you are dictates you might die of
something else before radiation would cause a cancer.
Another cause for an age
dependence of cancer risk is related to the changing number of
epithelial cells with age. For example, in breast cancer after menopause
the number of target cells that are available that cause cancer on the
breast declines rapidly so you're much less risk at older age than
younger ages with regards to radiation and breast cancer risk.
The other differences are gender differences. The breast and ovaries are
fairly sensitive to radiation that increases the risk for females
relative to male. From human epidemiological studies the Japanese atomic
bomb survivors there appears to be a much higher risk of lung cancer in
females than males. So, all this is folded into how you estimate what
dose corresponds again to that "3% risk of CA factor" depending on their
age. Women can have a 40% or 50% lower dose limit.
BB: According to the study there
are three major types of skin cancers of interest: melanoma, basal cell
carcinoma (BCC) and squamous cell carcinoma (SCC) (minimal mortality
rate) The incidence of skin cancer has risen dramatically due to
increase in UV exposures from changes in clothing, lifestyle and
diagnosis. Risk of skin cancer from space radiation it is stated, "We
estimate that the probability of increase skin cancer risk varies more
than 10 fold for individual astronauts and that the risk of skin cancer
could exceed 1% for future lunar base operations for astronauts with
light skin color and hair. Limitations in physical dosimetry in
estimating distribution of dose at the skin suggest that new
biodosimetry methods be developed for responding to accidental
overexposure of skin during future space missions."What about these
types of skin cancers and how does race (skin color) enter into CA risk
assessment?
FC: Radiation does not appear to
cause Melanoma, but it does cause other types of skin cancer like BCC.
In the general population BCC occurs more frequently than Melanoma, but
is much less fatal. Very few people die from BCC as opposed to Melanoma
where you have a high chance of dying. Fortunately radiation does not
cause Melanoma. The issue you brought up refer to skin cancer risks and
its possible dependence on race, skin color, hair color, and it's known
that both background rates are much higher in whites with blue eyes and
blond hair.
BB: How would individuals living
on the beaches of Florida compare to those living in high altitudes in
say... Colorado, would those individuals be more tolerant to space
radiation?
FC: For that particular type of
cancer (BCC) if you have light skin, light hair it seems like you're
more sensitive to skin cancer caused by radiation. It has been suggested
that a combined exposure from UV and ionizing radiation enhances the
risk.
BB: So person living at high
altitude is more tolerant than person living at low altitude?
FC: No, It's not a question of
sunlight exposure amount; it's the amount of Melatonin in your skin
that's the key factor.
BB: It's an intrinsic factor in
the body.
FC: Yes. For example skin cancer
rates in Australia there's a much higher rate of sun exposure in
Australia than a lot of other places and you have a population
frequented by people with light hair and skin. Skin cancer rates in
Australia are fairly high. But if you put someone from Italy in
Australia their rates would be much lower so the same UV exposure, but
the difference in Melatonin appears to be the key factor.
BB: Do you have any advice for
students, teachers or young professionals wishing to pursue study and
lesson plans in the field of nuclear health science and safety?
FC: I think the basic sciences
like molecular biology is where the future improvements in risk
assessment and radiation protection will come from. If you look at
historically using phenomenological approaches that are not based in
basic science they're just too uncertain. You can project risk that way,
but the error bars in your projection are just too high. So we're going
into a future where knowledge from basic biology, especially molecular
biology will be used in our risk assessments. My advice is try and get
an education in molecular biology and apply it to the types of problems
you brought up.
BB: Do you feel confident the
space radiation health and safety community will find a workforce with
the necessary skills, training experience to perform NASA's "New Space
Vision" requiring space nuclear technology?
FC: We're enhancing student
training and I think we'll do well.
BB: Dr. Cucinotta could you
explain to our readers how you happened to join into the field of
radiation health and safety?
FC: I was interested in nuclear
sciences at the University. I attended Old Dominion University it had a
lot of programs with NASA, that's how I got my start.
BB: Thank you very much for
granting us this interview.
FC: Good luck, Thank you, Bye.
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